Shelley,

No, I don’t think your “talk” is a big one from a small mouth. I consider it the right “talk”. Thank you for your contributions as a sincere spiritual partner.

You asked: “When you wrote your post this morning (which is a beautiful post, and a very important post), had you felt, experienced, and resolved your hurts and fears about the types of responses you have received in the past on this site?”

I don’t think I felt hurt. So, the question of resolving the hurts didn’t arise. But, if my above post you are referring to indicates otherwise, please do not hesitate to point out the parts that happen to reveal I felt hurt. That would be a valuable help for me in my spiritual growth.

You also asked: “Did you put your usual player out on the field, or your best most loving player, one that would generate more love within the community?”

Good question.

My post was honest, straightforward and genuine. I expressed the thoughts that I had. But, I was not attached to the result. As I said in that post, yes, since long I have wondered whether something was fundamentally wrong, and after reading that Stephanie happened to feel scared to post her thoughts, I did want a change to occur in this community board and I expressed it. But, that change is not in my hands. Those concerned might or might not agree with me. I have no control over that. Did I put my “best, most loving player on the field”? I think so. “Would it generate more love within the community?” I hope so.

You asked: “Was your expectation that you put out love for all people so you would generate and receive love from all people, not just some people?”

I am not sure whether I understand the question correctly. Please check it from the following response. I definitely have love toward those whom I refer to in that post. I want to make sure that I love them. As you mentioned, it was a very difficult post to write, but not at the cost of love.

But, above all, I honestly believe that the fundamental question here is not as much about love as whether what I expressed in that post is correct and valid, or I wrongly made up things. If it is the latter, the discussion, as far as I am concerned, ends right there. In that case I should ask for apologies and get out of my wrong illusion that a change is needed in the community board.

I would like to suggest the following (but it is a delicate one as I indicate next). When you started your first thread here, you raised the question: what next? I genuinely wanted to offer my help, however little it might be. And, in turn, I was asked whether my response to you came from a frightened part of mine. Please go back to that thread and after your analysis of the various posts there, let me know which parts of my response indicate that a frightened part must have been active. However, since this involves someone else also, not just the two of us, it might be delicate and difficult to discuss. Therefore, I leave it to your choice.

With love and respect,
Sundar

Shelley,

First, a big thank you!

You wrote: “You are the master of your feelings. I can empathize, but I cannot know exactly or tell you how you felt.”

Very true and totally fair.

You wrote: “I attempt to give you some pointers for your consideration.”

Thank you for that decision because in my opinion it is probably not all about feelings only. It is your pointers that can help me see at least to some extent where you might be coming from. I have tried to understand them to the best of my ability and discuss them in the ensuing post(s). But, please please correct me wherever I happen to misunderstand and hence happen to be wrong.

With love and trust,
Sundar

Shelley,

I just happened to see the caption under Gary’s latest video The Higher Logic of the Heart (although I happened to see it and listen a couple of times even earlier):
Five sensory logic and understanding originates in the intellect. The higher order of logic and understanding originates in the heart. It explains the differences between love and fear in yourself and shows you how you have to use them to grow spiritually.

So, the term ‘intellect’ is associated with five sensory logic and understanding. Accordingly, my use of this term in my above post has to be changed.

With respect to the heart, there is still logic and understanding involved, and it is of a higher order. I wonder whether the term ‘intelligence’ can be associated with it, as in Divine Intelligence. That is up for discussion.

Keeping the above caption in mind, I want to listen again to the above presentation by Gary. In the meantime, I just wanted to share my new finding in this quest.

With love and trust,
Sundar

Stephanie wrote: “I do also have many of the same questions come up, what is next? Can we talk about something other than frightened parts?”

Please allow me to repeat those words in caps: “I DO ALSO HAVE MANY OF THE SAME QUESTIONS COME UP, WHAT IS NEXT? CAN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN FRIGHTENED PARTS?”

As a community on a board that is meant for everyone’s spiritual growth and meant only for everyone’s spiritual growth, can we please please please please please pay a loving attention to those words and offer real, authentic support for such questions from anyone and everyone instead of scaring people away from this community board?

Stephanie,

I beg to differ in certain aspects, and if you don’t mind, I like to share a few thoughts in that respect. Of course, you should analyze carefully what I say and feel free to ignore it if I happen to be wrong in my logic. I hope the logic is of the higher order and if it is not, definitely ignore it please.

You wrote: “When Doug asked me if my statement could have been from a frightened part I actually had quite a negative response. My feelings were of disappointment, anger, superiority then inferiority. My physical sensations were tightness in my chest, rapid heart beat, a giant lump in my throat. My thoughts were, “oh, see I knew it! here we go with the frightened parts again that aren’t even there! Boy is he wrong. I was NOT coming from a frightened part and then maybe it’s me, maybe I just don’t get this, this is the same trouble Sundar has, something isn’t right here”, and on and on.”

I think that represents a typical struggle that everyone goes through initially, especially after being asked simply whether he or she is saying or acting from a frightened part without its being accompanied by any explanation whatsoever as to why that person suspects so. I think the above kind of struggle is exactly the harmful effect of no explanation whatsoever being offered. This is why I asked Gary and Linda the question that I have referred to a few times in my earlier posts. They agreed. (I don’t want to go into the details again here.)

Please note that I said “a typical struggle that everyone goes through INITIALLY” (the emphasis being on initially). It appears to require a lot of effort in terms of careful, proper and valid analyses to get out of this struggle and after such effort it does seem possible to get out of it.

You said: “The comment was flippant”. Was it really? Flippant seems to mean “not showing a serious or respectful attitude”. Does your comment reveal anything of that kind?

I assume you are referring to the following comment that you made to Shelley: “This community board is supposed to be a place where we can get guidance, learn and have some good conversations and be in spiritual partnerships but it has been awfully quiet lately … chirp chirp… Glad you are here!” I think the bottom-line question here is: Is that comment true or is it something that was simply made up due to some personal motive behind? I don’t think Gary or Linda would deny the truth involved in “this community board is supposed … partnerships”. Then you have made the observation “it has been awfully quiet lately”. I know it is true because a similar thought somehow occurred in me also, and I believe many others might also agree with this. But, more importantly it is just an observation. And, what is even more important is what follows: “chirp chirp… Glad you are here!” There is no doubt about the value of Shelley’s contributions and her making the community board alive after she recently joined and you are appreciative of that, which is a loving thing to do. A frightened part is not designed by the Divine Intelligence to do it. It is so obvious from the comment that you are dying to see some good conversations to take place here, from which you and everybody else can learn more and more about Gary’s amazing teachings. I wonder in what way all this is reflective of “not showing a serious or respectful attitude”. I really believe it is just the opposite. If not, where is my logic wrong? You or anyone else can point it out to me and I am fully open to it.

Now, notice one immediate consequence of your comment. Doug wrote: “I know, because I have spoken with them, that there are those following the posts but have not posted themselves. It is possible they have frightened parts active just like I do at times. My posting now is my way of challenging my frightened parts.” So, your comment actually made him submit a post.

And, what is the consequence of his post? A post where you reveal your own situation which indicated for the first time to my knowledge that while Doug’s reason is definitely a possibility for the “awful quietness” here, there is another “scary” possibility also. You expressed: “Honestly the conversations so often revolve around someone noticing frightened parts. It’s scary for me to post. Although I know this comes from love. So when I said “supposed to be” that was because of my own confusion on how to interact here. I’m super afraid I’ll say the wrong thing the wrong way and of being challenged. But that’s why I do try to post although admittedly it is only half the time.” We should pay attention to the critical terms used here: scary, confusion, super afraid, wrong thing, etc. That says a lot as to what was going on in your system. This cannot be the vision that Gary and Linda had when they thought of starting this community board.

This post is already too long. I will continue in my next …

With love and trust,
Sundar

Stephanie,

Please allow me to continue.

You continued to say: “So I sat with it for a while. Then I asked myself, when I wrote the comment was I creating from love or fear? I actually admit I was not emotionally aware when I wrote it. When I looked back on it I realized I was in a high level of frustration (fear) that I now understand I must take responsibility for.”

I honestly don’t know how many people might agree with me if I say that the “high level of frustration” by itself cannot refer to “fear”. I think it is a state of being. If so, the immediate question is: Is your being in that state correct and valid or wrong and invalid? It is quite possible that such a state might be wrong and invalid. In your case, however, it is indeed correct and valid, in my humble opinion. Are you responsible for being in such a state? Of course, no. You joined this community board with a high level of expectation about opportunities to share and learn. On the other hand, you find the circumstances to be such that it actually feels scary to post and that you could post only half the times you really wanted to. Is that your fault? Of course, no.

Now, the next important question is: What are you going to do when you are in that kind of a state of “high level of frustration” that is caused by factors not in your control? React or respond? That is where your responsibility comes into picture, if I understand Gary correctly. Notice that you didn’t react by way of, for example, shouting at everybody on the community board or whatever else one might choose to do by way of reacting. Instead, you responded. You expressed yourself; you chose to indicate what your frustration is all about. In the process you also appreciated Shelley for being here.

Then you said: “The comment was flippant, but digging down through it and under it I think I was calling out for help (from fear) … I was in a place where I was unsure of myself, making myself wrong, doubting etc.. and my comment was crying out for some help from spiritual partners … “come take care of me”. Caretake me… but that isn’t what spiritual partners do.”

I addressed the ‘flippant’ part already. I honestly think your so-called “calling out for help” cannot be characterized as coming from fear. We all have joined the Life School and/or attend various events conducted by Gary and Linda because we realize we need that “help”. Gary shares with us his extremely powerful concepts gained through his multisensory perceptions and we want to learn them. It is an indication that we want to start our journey on the road to authentic power. The frightened parts would never ever seek that help and they cannot be actually happy about our “calling out for help”. On the other hand, your characterization of yourself as being in a place where you were unsure of yourself, making yourself wrong, doubting, etc. must be the work of your frightened part and that is where I think you need to be very careful. Please don’t fall in its trap.

I also believe that the various dualities, such as caretaking vs caregiving, have been designed by the Divine Intelligence to make the process of spiritual growth extremely difficult, as to be expected (it would simply be a very dull process if it were too easy). What I mean is that these seem to be associated with such subtle differences that one might have to be very careful in concluding whether a given situation is caretaking or not. In my opinion, when you wrote that comment, you were not really saying “come take care of me”. Instead, you were saying, let us all take care of ourselves, including you, by participating in good conversations whereby we can learn from one another. That is indeed the name of the game and there can be nothing wrong about it, I think. It is by way of recognizing it that I think Gary and Linda wanted to open this community board.

I honestly hope that this community board will honor your sharing that you “have many of the same questions come up, what is next?” and will allow you to share them freely and offer Gary’s various concepts that might help answer that critical question, instead of scaring you away.

You said you often marveled at my tenacity. I like to tell you and Shelley that my tenacity is proportional to the love I have for everybody here. Shelley, I like to share with you, in response to your earlier questions, that my desire has been to truly love everybody. When I say everybody, I mean really everybody.

With love and trust,
Sundar