Doug,

Sorry about the delay in my response. I have been busy at work.

I read and reread your post a few times. I am able to recognize your sincerity and love in your detailed response. I really appreciate it.

I am not sure whether I understand some things that you have expressed. I like to get your clarifications by asking specific questions.

First, my questions have to do with the following statement of yours: “everything [I] notice in others is simply a reflection of something in me. If I notice a coworker being manipulative, I usually can quickly recall me doing the same thing to another or if I notice one of my children’s addictive behaviors, I can usually quickly recall my similar addictive response to my fears.”

I want to ask specific questions as to the assumptions involved in the two scenarios you have described above.

In the first scenario, are you assuming that the coworker is actually manipulative and that you happen to notice it only because the same kind of manipulation is active in you also at that time? Or, are you assuming that the coworker is not actually manipulative and that you think you notice some kind of manipulation on his or her part only because that kind of manipulation is active in you at that time? I explain next why I raise these important questions. Maybe there are other possibilities that I am not considering. If so, please let me know.

The first assumption above would imply, I think, that anyone in whom the same kind of manipulation is not active would not be able to notice the given manipulative nature of the coworker. Could this be true? Probably not. I think that anyone should be able to objectively observe any other’s manipulative nature irrespective of whether the same manipulative nature is active in that person or not. Otherwise, great and powerful teachers like Gary, as we all know him, could not make a statement like what he does in the “Acceptance and tolerance” call: “That means, when fp’s of your personality become active, you experience them, you accept them. That doesn’t mean you don’t want to change them; it means you don’t want to act on them, you intend not to act on them. And, even when they are strong, you act instead from a loving part of your personality; you create authentic power. So, this is the picture, as you know, that we have been providing you. It is a picture that most people don’t have yet.” Does his saying “It is a picture that most people don’t have yet” mean that in him the fp of tolerating and not accepting is active, which is why he notices it in most people? Obviously not, of course. Thus, I think one should be able to objectively notice the fp’s in others irrespective of whether the same fp’s are active in oneself.

The second assumption above appears to be a possibility to me. One might wrongly end up judging the coworker as manipulative only because such an fp happens to be active in oneself, not because the coworker is actually manipulative. This possibility, I think, is indicative of, to quote you, “the genius of the Earth school”. One obviously has to guard oneself against this possibility. However, the fundamental idea here I think is that one should be able to get out of that state and be able to objectively evaluate the coworker if there be a need for that; for example, to help that coworker from the standpoint of a spiritual partner. If the second assumption were the only possibility in the Earth school, then I think the concept of spiritual partnership cannot exist. We know, thanks to Gary, how important a concept it is!

In a similar fashion, in the second scenario, are you assuming that the child is actually addictive and that you happen to notice it only because the same kind of addiction is active in you also at that time? Or, are you assuming that the child is not actually addictive and that you think you notice some kind of addiction on his or her part only because that kind of addiction is active in you at that time? Again, I think an objective evaluation of the child’s addictive behavior should be possible on the part of the parents, lest no one should be able to parent the children.

In case I am not clear enough in what I have tried to convey above, please please ask for clarifications. I will gladly provide them. Thank you so much for being my spiritual partner.

What kind of physical sensations did I have as I typed the above? I think very normal ones and I hope I am right and am not masking them in case they are painful ones. I am really interested in discussions of this kind, which I think always contribute to the spiritual growth. In what I have honestly expressed in the above paragraphs, I am either wrong or correct. In the former case I ought to understand correctly and correct myself, and in the latter case I need to continue on that path to develop further correct understandings. That is Earth school I think. I look forward to such discussions with this great community.

With love and trust,
Sundar

• This reply was modified 8 years, 9 months ago by Sundar Naga. Reason: I noticed I didn't type my name at the end

Stephanie,
Thank you for sharing. Yes, for me also paying attention and fully experiencing my physical sensations helps me beyond anything I could have ever imagined before. For me it is essential in my process of creating authentic power.

The other day I noticed I had a FP active of jealousy. Instead of staying only in my thoughts about it…I opened to feeling as deeply as I could inside my body to feel the pain underneath the jealousy. I could feel extreme tightness in my second energy center. My thoughts went back to a friends suicide death in high school and the FP of shame that I must continue to be healing. My thoughts could never have made that association…..to me they two still seem somehow unrelated….however my body informed me otherwise.

By opening to feel in my body, I am more able to heal this FP of my personality, and gain clarity on what it is I am healing. Truly amazing!

Love,
Kristen

Sundar,

I see where my examples may have created more confusion than light. For me, believing that the universe helps me see myself with better clarity is comforting to me. There are many times I am blind to my own behavior and especially blind to my own intentions. Receiving loving help to “see myself” is something I believe the universe provides and it is something I have also received from my spiritual partners. One of the ways the universe helps me “see myself” is aptly described by Gary. I found this description from an interview Gary and Linda gave many years ago.

Gary: So, what Linda is talking about is projection. The Swiss psychologist, Carl Jung, studied this quite thoroughly and it is easy to understand that whatever you will not acknowledge in yourself (because it’s too shameful or painful) you will dislike and you will react to when you see it outside of yourself.

It’s very helpful to know this because that means whenever you see someone, for example, and you instantly dislike something about that person, look for what it is you dislike about that person in yourself and you will find it. And when you find it in yourself you will become compassionate. You’ll understand what that other person is feeling and you will no longer react. That’s called projection recall. And we use it a lot.

Sundar, my last post to you was my attempt to share with you my experiences with “seeing myself” in the people I encounter in my life experiences and trying to learn about “myself” from what I observe. It has been a great help to me in my spiritual growth.

With love

Doug

Doug,

Thank you so much for your loving clarification. I understand. Thank you also for the profound quote from Gary on projection.

With love and trust,
Sundar

Hi Abigail, welcome! I would love to hear what led you to the community. Myself, I saw Gary on Oprah in 1998 and have been studying his teachings since then. I attend the live events and it supports me with creating authentic power in my life. Have you watched any of the videos yet?
Love, Kristen Richardson