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Topic: Confused - Started 11 years, 7 months ago

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Posted 12 years ago

Hi,

I appreciated the support I received during the break out part of the call today. I am confused about something and looking for support.

Simple Example

I want to take one simple example. I have two older brothers. When I am in my family of origin of home during holidays it is always the same. Prior to the meal and after it is only I who help out. After dinner I will wash all the dishes and clean everything up. Doing so brings me a lot of joy as I love helping out my parents who are older. Most times I wish my brothers weren’t around while I am cleaning up as I perceive that me doing the cleaning annoys them (i.e. ‘he is making us look bad’). I also feel like maybe I am also allowing myself to be used and I shouldn’t clean at all. And other moments I feel bad that I am doing the cleaning all on my own as I think ‘why would they not care to help me?’

Confusion

I am trying to find out what is there to learn about me. I am not actually interested in my brothers cleaning. Whether they help out or not is not the issue. I’m just struggling to find the issue because a part of me does feel hurt…a part of me feels ‘used’ and ‘unloved’…almost like a ‘slave’. I feel the pain in my stomach and chest deeply. I also experience this in other areas of my life with other people but can’t see what is taking place.

It doesn’t feel right to me to ask them to help out because that feels like external power (i.e. if I get them to do ‘x’ then I will feel ‘y’). Not doing the cleaning doesn’t feel right as that would be a form of ‘anger’ and I like helping to clean up. What nags at me most (FP) is the feeling that by doing the clean up on on my own that I am allowing myself to be used.

What’s important to me is that I don’t care whether my brothers help or not but moreso what am I to learn from the FP feeling I have of ‘no one cares about me’, ‘i allow people to use me’, etc.

any feedback would be much appreciated.

lots of love,
Eric

Posted 12 years ago

Hi Eric, I understand that the feeling you are being used nags you, but that you do not want to manipulate others to change the situation as you perceive it. Have you thought of consciously using your courage to seriously discuss your concerns with your family members, and to ask them to help you in this matter?

Posted 12 years ago

Thx Joroen for the feedback as I requested it.

I did consider using my courage to speak openly with my family however after sitting with it for some time I have decided to use my courage to experiment with another approach. I posted a few subsequent treads about that approach. I do look very much forward to seeing how my experiments go and what I will learn from them. I am sure that I will eventually post back here what I have learned from the experiments.

That is what I personally find fun about this process. I am free to experiment with many different approaches and settle for the one that has provided the results I most often look for; closeness with others & personal peace. And yet, if the experiments produce pain than I can go back to square one and experiment with some different approaches.

Thx again.

Eric

Posted 12 years ago

Hi Eric,
Doing the dishes during family get togethers with my family of origin almost always offers me opportunities to learn about myself and create authentic power. From power struggles with my mother and sister about who will do the dishes, to feeling left out when I am not doing them, to feeling used when I am etc..what I find supports me is looking at understanding what my intention beneath my action is in the moment. I may be intending to help out my mother who worked hard all day to cook the meal, but notice withdrawing in anger when she doesn’t,even notice that I do it. When I become aware of this, I can then choose what I want to create. For eg. I can put my attention on using my anger energy to acknowledge myself for doing the dishes and look for other benefits of doing the dishes I the moment. In the past I would unconsciously have thoughts of resentment when I was not being seen. During the times when my mother does notice me doing the dishes, I feel bad because I sense my sister feels jealous. My familiar behaviour is to caretake her,by asking her if she wants to help also and join in. I have learned that this is care taking because I feel rejected when she says no in a disapproving way. Then I feel resented. So I do not do this anymore,because it is painful. I focus instead on the painful physical sensations in my body and my thoughts with the intention to heal. I also open to my intuition to support me in what would be the healthiest thought or action I can choose in this moment. This is difficult, as I have a strong fp that has the urge to fix and find a solution on the spot. This is when my work of patience and trust in this process and my commitment comes in over and over again.
What I have come to learn about my fp that feels used is that it is right. When I was a child I was exploited/used by my parents in various subtle and non subtle ways. This resulted in the loss of my integrity and emotional blindness. I was a victim as a child,but I do not choose to be one any more. How do I do that? I have the ability now to learn about my intentions as I am seeing how they are so important in my creation. I also am learning about what being in integrity means for me. Ex. Do I really want to do the dishes now or am I pleasing?
I am looking forward to seeing what you learn about yourself through your fp that feels used.
Thank you so much for your sharings.

Love, Soula.

Posted 12 years ago

Hi,

I had an interesting experience with a brother who I have struggled with often. This is a brother who calls me mainly when he is in need, who comes over to eat at my place regularly but I have not been to his in 3 years (for a dinner), who doesn’t help out when we are in my family of origin home together.

Often times I’d prepare dinner and he’d come over but after dinner he would just watch tv or leave. I used to feel so angry at him ‘i make you dinner and you can’t even help clean!’ Originally, I felt like I needed to tell him that I needed him to help me clean (challenge my FP) but that never felt right. If I need to get him to do something so that I feel better felt wrong. And what if he just said, ‘no’ would I then kick him out? I had been really struggling with this feeling of ‘being used’. Then I thought can I actually challenge that feeling? I know that my brother is in a lot of personal pain in his life and that his actions are mostly coming from his FPs. So, anything from an another’s FP can’t hurt me which means I’ve been hurting myself by telling myself a ‘story’ about ‘being used’. And then I thought, But who invited my brother for dinner? Who decides to clean while in our family home? Who always tries to help out when he is in need? Me, Me, Me. I invite him for dinner and then complain that I am being used?

So, I decided to try and challenge the FP (of feeling used, ‘victim’). To deeply accept my role in the situation and to ‘forgive’ which means for me letting go of what I perceived was wrong (but actually wasn’t a wrong as I was inviting it). So, I invited him for dinner a few days ago and was genuinely happy to have him come over. I did not even think of the past ‘hurts’. And what happens? Out of his own free will he gets up to help me prepare the food, we cook together, ate together and cleaned together. This is a true story. All the other times he must of intuitively felt the anger in my heart and that most likely helped create the situation (i.e. our distance). After lunch we even went out to spend the entire afternoon together and then when out for dinner and he treated. πŸ™‚

Today, he called to tell me he saw his ex-partner (they divorced 3 years ago) and at the end of the call I told him that I loved him and he replied it back to me.

Exciting stuff…look forward to seeing how the experiment continues.

thanks,
Eric

Posted 12 years ago

forgot to add that the irony now is that moving forward I can easily ask him to help me prepare dinner or clean up because I truly don’t care if he does or doesn’t. I’d be happy either way because I don’t need him to do it.

really fun process for me.

Posted 12 years ago

Hi Eric,

I have enjoyed reading the postings that you and Soula shared. I have had those very same frightened parts come up in me most frequently when we have my husbands side of the family over for dinner. I had just that very opportunity(of those fps becoming active) when we celebrated my husband’s B.D. last w/e. His 2 children and our 3 grand children pluse sister in law were with us for 3 days.

I have been challenging these frightened parts of my personality for quite some time now, and like you, I have experimented with asking for help/not asking for help (and looking at my intention for asking), and when I asked without attachment to outcome, I received the help….What was so great about that was that I truly did not care if I received help or not…the challenge for me was to ASK FOR HELP.

I also experimented with sitting at the dinner table and staying engaged in the conversation, instead of clearing the table and putting away food right after the meal. This too was very painful for me….to NOT TO CLEAR THR TABLE AND ACTUALLY GET INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION…and again, it truly did not matter to me if someone else started clearing the table or not….I was doing the work of challenging my frightened parts that feel more comfortable being busy and do not want to connect (so my fps can blame them and make them wrong!). I found this facinating to me. I sat at the table for 20 or more minutes….and enjoyed myself. When I was ready, I began to clear the table…and no one helped me…and I was perfectly OK with that…I was not attached. The next morning,I noticed the breakfast table was set and someone else was preparing breakfast. They asked me to sit down and have some coffee…they wanted to make breakfast. I beleive it was because, like you Eric, my energy had a very different quality to it…I was not sending negetive energy by judging, blaming, feeling victized and angry.

This was a great experiment/experience and I learned so much about myself….I felt very connected to everyone who joined us that w/e. I received a text from my husband’s son after the w/e saying how much he enjoyed the w/e and thanked me for organizing such a greeat w/e for his Dad’s b.d. What a gift! (even w/o the text message…the whole experience was truly a blessing to me).
Thanks for the reminder. Love, Gail

Posted 12 years ago

Dear Eric, Soula and Gail,

Thank you for sharing your experiments with company and mealtimes. I know I have frightened parts around this and am now looking forward to experimenting with enjoying myself when I am entertaining and discovering what I learn about myself in the process.

Love, Carol Ann

Posted 11 years ago

Hi all, I am grateful to read all of these experiences which began with Eric’s post. This past week I had an experiment with letting go of attachment to the outcome which involved a returned clothing item to a mail order company. A few weeks ago I was preparing to send back several items to this company and I knew that one of the items could be credited back to a now non existent credit card number. It had been a holiday gift for a daughter’s boyfriend but had not fit him well. I called the company and they told me to indicate that the credit for this one item should be requested to be given as a gift card. So I did this in writing on the return form but when I called a couple of weeks later, I found that my notation had been overlooked and the credit had not occurred as I requested. So I called and discussed it with the phone representatives and they were to get back with me. About a week later, after which I had been really trying to apply the tools of creating authentic power, I decided to call them again as I had not received any word back. The item had been purchased by myself but on a credit card which had had my former spouse as primary at the time of the purchase. When we separated, we each requested new numbers for our cards that we carried. So I was having difficulty in getting the credit back to myself. When I called them back the second time, I really tried to be in the present moment and let go of the outcome as to whom would receive the credit and wanting the best outcome for everyone, including the representative who answered my call and the company itself. I found that by doing this, I was very evenly calm and clear with my speech and in the end it became a clear situation for the representative and she was able to take care of the processing in a different way and she was comfortable with doing that and said that she would be sending the gift card to me. I told her that if anything should come up that she needed to contact me back about the situation, to please do so. It is exciting to see how well communications occur when applying these principles. When I got off the call, I reminded myself that just because I did receive the credit, that in all my circumstance I must never apply these principles just to get what I want, but to always be fully intending for what is best for all concerned. I found it very supportive to read about everyone’s experiments when challenging FPs during family get–togethers. I want to refer back to these and experiment in these ways with my own family as well. I have been experiencing deeper connects with people these past few weeks as I have been trying to apply these tools of creating authentic power most of the time. The past two or three days however, I have not focused as much on emotional awareness and connecting my thoughts with what I am feeling. I have to finish an intense course I’m enrolled in a week before the scheduled time as I am planning to come to the Journey Event later this month, and there is much work to do before I leave. I find that when I am doing this course work that I get distracted when I try to focus inwardly at the same time. I would be interested to hear how others are able to do this while reading or studying and how this goes for them. I must work better at emotional awareness at least when I am not studying. I don’t want to get too far from this regular practice especially now when it is really so new to me to put this to regular practice. I hope to continue as much as I can before the Event so that I can be a contributor to the joy and learning which we will participate in there. Thank you all for your posts! Love, Cindy

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