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Topic: Challenging another FPs - Started 11 years, 7 months ago
Posted 12 years ago
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Hi, I seemed to learn something significant (at least for me) which I wanted to share. I realize that I can not challenge anothers FP when I am actively in my FP. It seems self-evident but it is for me at times hard to distinguish. Example Let’s say my brother randomly starts yelling at me. In that moment he is acting from his FP. However, me being yelled at will trigger an FP in me. I can say to myself that I have an FP that is afraid to stand up for myself so I will do so by challenging his FP. However, doing that takes me away from the FP I experience from being yelled at. Only once I de-personalize his yelling at me (i.e. truly see that his yelling has nothing at all to do with me) can I then challenge my FP of not standing up for myself by challenging his FP. I had been getting stuck challenging anothers FP when I had yet to deeply challenge my own. Basically, if I can’t feel deep love right before challenging someone else’s FP I should hold back as I am most likely operating from an FP. just wanted to share. |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hi Eric, I think you had a very valuable insight. In my experience it is still very painful to me when a person treats me badly, even when I realize when his/her behaviour has nothing to do with me, but with an active frightened part of him/herself. This can make it very difficult for me not to react angrily, but to step back, and to feel compassion for that person. Maybe this is what is meant by ‘turning the other cheek’, however, I personally feel it would be right to respond in a way, that protects myself from the abuse of the other person, whilst at the same time showing compassion for the fact that that person is acting from a frightened part in him/herself. What is your view in this? |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hi Jeroen, My view which of course is not one I wish to impose on anyone just one I have come to through my own personal experiences and experiments is that no one has the ability to hurt me emotionally. Only I have the ability to do that to myself. For example, you or anyone else may chose to respond to this post by shouting at me. Those shouts have nothing to do with me and they can not hurt me unless I decide to allow them to hurt me. So, I personally rarely think of it as ‘protecting’ myself because someone acting out towards me from the frightened parts of their personality (fear) can’t actually hurt me emotionally (my personal belief). Now, let’s say my brother out of fear decides to try to punch me in the face. Of course I will in that moment physically protect myself. I would not just stand there and take the punch. However, once I block the physical punch I must decide how do I want to respond to my brother. Do I want to scream at him, remove him from my life, crucify him, etc.? Maybe in that moment the most loving thing I can do for myself is just leave the room. But him trying to punch me has nothing to do with me even if he feels otherwise. He is in that moment acting from fear and as a result it can not hurt me. And between our souls is still love even if neither us are capable of seeing it in the moment. I believe Victor Frankl pointed to this when his experience in the concentration camps during WWII was that he was able to gain a tremendous amount of personal interior freedom while being enslaved in the camps. And I believe it is what Gandhi meant when he suggested something like ‘you can kill me but doing so you will only gain a dead body’. And as a result I also agree that it is what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek. However, it is easy for me to write my beliefs but the very difficult part for me is to live them. And I do the best I can every day to try and live what I am writing but it is not easy. It is actually very hard but must admit that it does seem to be getting ‘easier’ but I still struggle often and it is why I write on this discussion board; for support and perspective. Again, these are just my beliefs and have no wish to impose them on anyone. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to reflect on them. with love, |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences, Eric. In my case, I feel people are able to hurt me emotionally, even when I consciously choose to realise that someone is acting out a frightened part of his/her personality. This of course makes me vulnerable, and it is one of the reasons I tend to avoid too much contact with others. By not interacting much with other, however, I am not giving myslef the chance to learn and grow from my experiences. What has helped me are the guidelines of non-violent communication by the American Marshall Rosenberg, which are now even used by the UN to resolve conflicts between countries. Nevertheless, for me it is difficult to put into practice, when confronted with aggression by other people. So like you I feel it is difficult to live my beliefs, when it comes down to it. With love, Jeroen |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hello Jeroen- My intention is to be of support as your potential spiritual partner. This perspective that you are sharing is a very common one. I would also like to suggest that the pain you are experiencing is coming from the frightened parts of your personality that you were born to heal. Your parents Souls have supported you with helping you to see what you are here to heal. If you didn’t experience this pain,if someone hadn’t triggered it, the pain wouldn’t be so clear to you. I also was abused and I am grateful at my core for every experience of abuse. It is the perfect experience to point directly to the deep pain of powerlessness and unworthiness in me to heal. What I have discovered is in the process of healing this pain is that my love really wasn’t touched by these experiences. The loving parts of my personality really weren’t “damaged.” I covered them up with alot of guilt, shame, powerlessness, sadness, anger, resentment, etc. (frightened parts of my personality), however once I opened to feeling the depths of this pain, there was my love, my wholeness, my aliveness. I have used this path that Gary and Linda suggest for quite some time now within myself and with my work as a therapist, supporting other soul’s, it is the clearest way to healing that I am aware of. You have come to the right place. I send you much love and support on your journey. |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hi Kristen, pleased to meet you here, and thank for sharing your insights and experiences. Much of what you said refers to my post “Our parents our best supporters?”, in which I have challenged the view that our parents are our best supporters. You mentioned that your love was not really touched by painful experiences, once you opened up to feeling the depths of your pain. I agree with you that this is indeed the right path, but I believe professional help may be an essential part of being able to access one’s pain. In other words, accessing my pain may not be so straightforward as it seems. If damage was inflicted on me as a baby, then I may not have developed the ability to love or the ability to bond with other people. It becomes much worse if I was actively abused as a baby, then the rage that was caused by this experience will have become completely subconscious, and the temptation to act out may overwhelm me. I would say that it is right that my abusive mother may have been the cause of a situation of utter helplessness and pain in me as a child, which I have the responsibility to heal as an adult. However, to suggest that my mother’s soul thus supported me is highly misleading and dangerous, in my opinion, because it also suggests that her acts were somehow well-intentioned, and therefore I should be thankful for her actions. In my opinion, to use Gary’s terminology, I was confronted as a baby with my mother’s personality that was in great pain, and that was not aligned with her soul, as a result of which, damage was inflicted on me. If a mother wishes her child dead, this can hardly be called supportive, in my opinion. I am glad I suvived at all, to be honest. To illustrate my point of view, I would like to share this short documentary, of a 6 year old girl who did not develop empathy nor a consciounce as a result of severe child abuse as a 1 year old child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g2-Re_Fl_L4 |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hello Jeroen, I am moved by what I sense is your longing to learn more about what being here in the earth school can teach us. When I heard Gary say that our parents are our closest supporters, I did not attach a judgment of “good” or “bad” to it. What has been so helpful to me is to view “supportive” as giving me the opportunity to learn about myself. Opportunities, that if I use them to challenge fp’s, will change the imbalance, karma, caused by my past actions that were generated by fear instead of love. Karma acquired thru lifetimes of living unconsciously. Karma acquired thru believing stories of need and neglect. Each of us may have a different story, but all of our stories imply powerlessness and imperfection. My deepest commitment is to stop contributing fear into my life and the lives of all who are taking this journey with me. As long as I look outwardly for something or someone else as the cause of my pain, I believe I limit my ability to change. That doesn’t mean that I do not have a compassion for all the pain I see in the world. Including the pain I see in those who inflict pain on others. But I want to truly heal, not transfer my pain onto someone else. And to do so, I know that I must start with me. That’s what creating Authentic Power has given me the tools to do. In my life my parents were my best teachers because interacting with them triggered major fp’s of not being loved or appreciated. Keeping “my heart open in hell” is the ultimate opportunity to practice. Anyone can do it when things are easy. Welcome to this powerful journey!!!! Love and blessings, Pam |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Jeroen, Thank you for sharing. I feel grateful for the clarity of your description, which supports me in becoming more aware of frightened parts of my personality that feel deeply entrenched. Recognizing these frightened parts is the first step toward healing. For many years I told myself a story about emotional and physical abuse, and felt like a victim. I was also a perpetrator. Only gradually did I even learn to recognize that I had a story. How empowering for me it has been to see that I had a choice to heal by challenging the frightened parts of my personality which felt victimized and angry, and which were of course destructive to me as well as others. I am now working on healing the emotion of guilt. And how amazing it is that you survived and have been given the opportunity to heal those frightened parts in yourself. The documentary was enlightening. With love, Catherine |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Hi Pam and Catherine, thank you for your taking the effort to respond. Pam, I have also come to believe that everything I experience happens for a reason, and that nothing happens by chance. Karma, in other words. You shared that “my parents were my best teachers because interacting with them triggered major fp’s of not being loved or appreciated.” In cases where parents abuse, they do not only trigger fearful parts of not being loved or appreciated, they are the cause of these fearful parts. In other words, these fearful parts would not have been there in the first place, if the parents had not acted irresponsibly. In the case of the little girl in the documentary, who had been sadistically sexually abused as a baby, I think one could say that it was her karma that this should happen to her, but it would, in my opnion, be absurd to say that her father was in any way supportive to her, or even close to her. Her life was almost destroyed, had it not been for the responsible choice and the loving care of her adoptive parents, her real supporters. If I am attacked, raped and tortured as an adult, I would not call the perpetrator a ‘support’ to me in any way, simply because this person caused me to be in a situation of powerlessness. In the same way I do not believe parents who abuse their child are their supporters. Can you ask a 1-year old girl to keep her “heart open in hell” when she is sexually abused, because it is the ultimate opportunity for her to practice? I would say parents can only be ‘our greatest supporters’, and ‘the souls closest to us’, if their personalities are truly aligned with their souls. In the case that they are not, our parents can be the greatest threat to our existence. |
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Posted 12 years ago
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Catherine, I would just like to say that it moves me that you have chosen to look into yourself, and you have found the courage to challenge the frightened parts of your persoanlity. Much of what you say applies to me as well. Especially feelings of guilt can be so negative, because they can stop me from giving myself the opportunity to heal. I think to forgive myself for the mistakes I may have made and to be a ‘good parent’ to myself, and to love myself, can counteract these feelings. |
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